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Post by Chicago White Sox on Nov 14, 2015 2:08:30 GMT
Why should the rule change now in "November" because you brought up a question? Again, the rule was stated back on October 11 and then updated the next day and yet you say nothing for four weeks give or take a few days. I said this last year and I'll say it again now, let people play their team and you play yours. Besides, why are you so concerned with how other people play? BTW, if you didn't notice the Commish gave a thumbs up on the initial thread. I can only assume he agrees with the posted rule. I didn't see you complain last year when teams failed to reach the min IP requirement. And those teams didn't carry enough P's to cover the IP limit. So why are you voicing your concern about hitters this season but not a word about pitchers last season? Not saying it should be changed but rather discussed and have a more in depth rule and not so vague. I didn't really think about it too much back then but after draft and seeing teams put MILB players on their MLB roster made me have some questions, is that a big deal? I'm not saying those teams will keep the MILB players on their roster come the start of the season but is good to know what we can and cannot do with our rosters when the season begins. Are we allowed to have minor league players who aren't active on our MLB roster? How will their contracts be if it is allowed? How many actual MLB offensive players do we need on our team? Questions like that should be discussed and answered so all owners know ahead of time. |
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Post by Chicago White Sox on Nov 14, 2015 2:13:05 GMT
Actually, minor league players make a salary in real life and they also get signing bonuses. Yes they make a salary but I am not sure when their actual contract begins. If a minor league player is on a MLB roster in this league, what is the contract situation? I myself don't know much about how rookie contracts work once they are called up to the big leagues so any info would be appreciated if anyone knows more. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 2:48:31 GMT
They actually have a CBA that states that they play their rookie year at league minimum, 2nd year at minimum plus raise from team, 3rd year equals second year plus raise earned, 4 th year arbitration(40%), 5th year arbitration (60%), 6th year arbitration (80%), 7 th year FA. They only have to exceed rookie limits for that to start.
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Post by Chicago White Sox on Nov 14, 2015 2:52:35 GMT
They actually have a CBA that states that they play their rookie year at league minimum, 2nd year at minimum plus raise from team, 3rd year equals second year plus raise earned, 4 th year arbitration(40%), 5th year arbitration (60%), 6th year arbitration (80%), 7 th year FA. They only have to exceed rookie limits for that to start. Ok so let's say a team has a prospect on their MLB roster who isn't in the MLB, will the contract start earlier then? And then lets say a team demotes that player the following year, how is that kept track of and how will it effect the contract? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 2:57:50 GMT
I believe our league goes by min/max AB's and IP, remember?
We also use a development roster.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 3:00:39 GMT
We make the players pay the rookie contract but it doesn't start their 1-6 year deal until they get their 150 AB. So if you have a prospect on your MLB roster and doesn't get called up until 2040, you will pay him rookie contract for 24 years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 3:08:52 GMT
This is ridiculous. That will be too much to watch. Then you will never have a player on his actual MLB contract. We can't use the MLML to follow everything. We need to just relax. This will cease to be fun when we institute a constitution to it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 3:31:10 GMT
Well I we using the extreme. Say you put your first round pick to the MLB. The actual contract with the 3 years rookie contract and then arbitration doesn't start until they get 150 at bats or 50 innings pitched. The $507,500 contract we give them now is just for salary purposes. I would like to look into possible fees for having a prospect on your MLB roster.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 3:38:04 GMT
There's no need for penalties or fees. Just place a player/prospect into the appropriate position for book keeping purposes.
Someone could say the penalty is self imposed by that team for simply having the prospect listed on the MLB roster. The penalty is having no accumulative stats which might result in a possible loss for the weekly match up.
We have been playing this way since last year so there's no need to change it now.
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Post by Chicago White Sox on Nov 14, 2015 3:49:17 GMT
There's no need for penalties or fees. Just place a player/prospect into the appropriate position for book keeping purposes. Someone could say the penalty is self imposed by that team for simply having the prospect listed on the MLB roster. The penalty is having no accumulative stats which might result in a possible loss for the weekly match up. We have been playing this way since last year so there's no need to change it now. This is just an easy way to tank for draft picks and also a way to stack prospects. We have a 25 MILB roster limit set if we have teams putting 4 or 5 prospects on their MLB roster that have no chance of playing that allows them to add even more prospects to their MILB roster. It is a loophole and not one that should be exploited IMO. I like the idea of a fee if a team stack prospects on their MLB roster if they aren't actually getting playing time in real life. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 3:53:34 GMT
Well WAS, you don't hear me complaining how you're collecting MLB talent so why should you tell me I can't collect MILB talent.
Again, I didn't hear you say one time last year to those teams who failed to meet the IP min. Why the big fuss now about hitting?
Another question you're avoiding is why bring up your concerns now when the initial thread was posted over a month ago?
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Post by Chicago White Sox on Nov 14, 2015 4:01:30 GMT
Well WAS, you don't hear me complaining how you're collecting MLB talent so why should you tell me I can't collect MILB talent. Again, I didn't hear you say one time last year to those teams who failed to meet the IP min. Why the big fuss now about hitting? Another question you're avoiding is why bring up your concerns now when the initial thread was posted over a month ago? I answered all those questions already, you must not have seen it.. When did I say you can't collect MILB talent? I said teams shouldn't be able to put MILB prospects on their MILB roster just so they can get around the 25 MILB roster limit. Never pointed you out. Stop thinking I am going after you because that is not what I am trying to do at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 4:02:39 GMT
Let's just calm down gentlemen. Nobody is here to tank the season. Let's not argue cause this is a great league and I don't want this to be a start of something negative for the league. Rule 2.1 in the constitution covers teams that fail to compete. Yes, having not enough pitchers to meet the weekly minimum is just as bad. There were only a few of us that mentioned to Hannes about it. Then luckily Jorge came and it was fixed.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Nov 14, 2015 4:07:28 GMT
This conversation is just stupid , I don't wanna be told how to micro manage my team , pretty soon we will have soooo many fees and penalties and rules ,, why don't we just all give our teams to hannes and Bryan , and then they can just keep us fucking posted on how we r doing!
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Post by Chicago White Sox on Nov 14, 2015 4:21:29 GMT
Look, I simply posted a question on here about a rule to discuss that I believe should be further expanded on. If Bryan and Hannes come together and decide nothing should be added to the rule and that prospects should count has "hitters" then that is cool, I am fine with it. I didn't ask the question for sake of an argument or to come after a single team. I saw something that I thought could be a problem later down the road and wanted to discuss it. Instead a couple of you take it way too far and personally. Don't want to argue from anyone and would like to hear what Hannes has to say about it because I haven't seen him comment on my initial question yet.
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