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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:14:18 GMT
I'll be honest I don't see the value of adding holds, to me it just devalues closers. Closers don't gain a category just RPs that don't close. As I said RPs are very valuable, the contribute to 4 of the 6 categories possible. Why do they need to be equal to closers when the real life game were basing this on says they are not a valuable?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:26:57 GMT
I totally agree with MIA on this. 100% No one remembers the guy with the most holds. I know that it is a standard fantasy baseball category, but I think it just does not fit into our league. It is a lot easier to load up on holds than saves. This year Kansas City (the real team) often pulled starters after 5 IP and then had 3 guys (Innings 6,7,8) getting the hold. However, Hannes, you continue to say how you want this as close to real as possible, yet you want to not include a very important stat. Many teams lose because they have no one who can supply them with holds. I'm sorry to those who oppose my view, but in a league where we use a salary cap, people need to have multiple outlets to buy players who help their team. I have said since the beginning that I love this league but I wish that we would have more categories so this was harder. I feel that if we had more categories, most problems we have encountered will iron themselves out. Just my opinion, and I think that Bryan agreed with me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:29:50 GMT
I'll be honest I don't see the value of adding holds, to me it just devalues closers. Closers don't gain a category just RPs that don't close. As I said RPs are very valuable, the contribute to 4 of the 6 categories possible. Why do they need to be equal to closers when the real life game were basing this on says they are not a valuable? That is exactly the point, it allows managers to determine where to spend their money, just like real general managers do. Both stats count and you may win saves while your competitor wins holds, or if you get one of each on your team, you may take 2 categories every week. Your DECISION. Ultimately, isn't that what we wanted out of this league, managers to be able to chose how to run their team and what players to have? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:31:48 GMT
Then why do we have net stolen bases , it should be two seperare catagories ...... Stolen bases and caught stealing , sometimes a manager will ask a guy to steal who isn't a BASE STEALER. So to speak and when that guy gets caught it takes away from guys who r the base stealers , obviously I am not suggesting we change that stat too , I am just trying to make the point that adding holds adds player depth and player value to our league , there are plenty of guys who could be utilized who r not and as a side note , a lot of relief (hold guys) become closers , and like anything else u still gotta manage the team Completely agree with you on this one. 1000%... but we have dealt with it this entire year without anyone complaining. I think maybe we should get people's ideas on what categories we should have and decide from there. Just a thought. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2015 15:36:35 GMT
A pole, a pole! To the poles!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:42:33 GMT
I wouldn't pole it, but have everyone post on a thread their favorite categories that yahoo scores that we do not have and we choose to add a few next year in each(pitching and hitting), to see whether or not they work. I think it works and gives everyone a voice in how their teams are scored. Just my utopia for fantasy sports.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:43:17 GMT
Still makes no sense to me how anyone can equate a hold as the same value as a save when you can get multiple holds in a game and just 1 save. It's only logic that says saves are more valuable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:43:58 GMT
And technically, I wouldn't add saves + holds, I would be more interested in Net saves and holds. That way both closers and setup men are held accountable for their failures as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:45:52 GMT
Still makes no sense to me how anyone can equate a hold as the same value as a save when you can get multiple holds in a game and just 1 save. It's only logic that says saves are more valuable. In baseball, there is a thing that is called a hold. When a pitcher leaves the game before the 9th inning, the subsequent pitcher is eligible for a hold as long as they do not give up the lead/tie. So, without HOLDS, there would be no SAVES! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:53:45 GMT
Since it is being asked of me to comment once I vote I suppose I'll add my two cents.
I wanted to vote indifference since I really don't care about this topic.
However, I did vote yes simply because I play as many RP's on a daily basis as I can.
I don't do it for the cheap save, I do it because I believe RP's lower my ERA and WHIP while increasing my IP on a daily basis.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:56:07 GMT
Very well put Stu. Thanks. Hope you are having a great day.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Jul 31, 2015 16:02:26 GMT
i dont wanna revamp everything , I REALLY LIKE THIS LEAGUE , i brought up the save/hold cat because it is 1 of my favorite in fantasy , having said that this argument could also be used in the quality start / wins stat ..... we dont do wins here which i think is great , quality starts say more about the performance of the pitcher... however when qs were 1st introduced alota guys argued that how do u only gotta go 5 innings to qualify for a win but 6 with less than 3 earned to get a quality start ..... my pitcher left the game giving up 2 earned runs and there were 2 on he was statistically responsible for , the reliever allowed the 2 runs to score and my starter who still got the win, didnt get the quality start , and really , he did pitch well enough to get a qs , just cuz the manager didnt have the confidence to leave him in.....wow!! long story short if u can enhance the value of a league it should be considered
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 16:27:49 GMT
Still makes no sense to me how anyone can equate a hold as the same value as a save when you can get multiple holds in a game and just 1 save. It's only logic that says saves are more valuable. In baseball, there is a thing that is called a hold. When a pitcher leaves the game before the 9th inning, the subsequent pitcher is eligible for a hold as long as they do not give up the lead/tie. So, without HOLDS, there would be no SAVES! For such a smart ass you'd think you'd put more thought into your stupid comments, really, no saves without holds? Really? Really? SPs never go 8 IPs and give it up to the closer, never go 8.1 or 8.2 and can't finish it. Really? how does 3 holds in 1 game equal 1 save in that same game? Hmm... 3=1 in this great big logical world. Really? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 16:28:48 GMT
CWS is a fucking Genius.
Later, I'm done with this topic of stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 16:45:57 GMT
Calm down gentlemen everyone has their own opinions.
Maybe if we did net saves so if the set up men blow the lead they take away a save. Since there are more set up man than closers it may hurt you more.
Too bad we couldn't do holds are worth half a save. Or Like combine them and have saves get 1 point and holds get .25 points or .50 points.
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