Qualifying Offers

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Not sure if it was ever discussed here, but can we consider implementing qualifying offers? It would work like this in my opinion:
- A manager can offer any FA a Qualifying Offer (QO)
- The contract of the QO will follow the real-life guidelines ($15.8M at this point)
- The player becomes a FA and managers can sign him as a normal FA agent.

Two things can happen:
1. No manager will sign the player. The QO manager will automatically obtain the player for a 1 year QO contract ($15.8M or whatever the QO is).
2. Another manager signs the player. He will forfeit his first round MILB pick and the original manager will get a bonus-round pick. The first 10 picks are protected (in that case the manager will lose his next highest pick).

Thoughts?

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I like all of this except the part about losing your first round pick. Our draft is too short for a team to lose their 1st round pick. But, being able to extend a qualifying offer is interesting. I would say that you would have to limit how many times it can be done. Maybe use it like an NFL franchise tag and allow each team to extend one per year and not to the same player 2 years in a row. Good idea though.

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Nov 12, 2015 20:45:55 GMT @brittdawg said:

I like all of this except the part about losing your first round pick. Our draft is too short for a team to lose their 1st round pick. But, being able to extend a qualifying offer is interesting. I would say that you would have to limit how many times it can be done. Maybe use it like an NFL franchise tag and allow each team to extend one per year and not to the same player 2 years in a row. Good idea though.

Thanks for the feedback. I like the idea of franchise tag (one QO).

However, there should be some sort of penalty for signing a QO player. Maybe a second round pick loss?

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Nov 12, 2015 21:02:21 GMT @nyy73 said:

Nov 12, 2015 20:45:55 GMT @brittdawg said:

I like all of this except the part about losing your first round pick. Our draft is too short for a team to lose their 1st round pick. But, being able to extend a qualifying offer is interesting. I would say that you would have to limit how many times it can be done. Maybe use it like an NFL franchise tag and allow each team to extend one per year and not to the same player 2 years in a row. Good idea though.

Thanks for the feedback. I like the idea of franchise tag (one QO).

However, there should be some sort of penalty for signing a QO player. Maybe a second round pick loss?

I can see that. What about forfeiting your rights to compensation for losing your FA with a QO? Instead of one of your 5 picks. Just a thought.

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All good ideas. If we want this league to mirror MLB rules than we should look into it. We would have to figure out what players would qualify. But then MLB changed their rules last year and the signing team only gets their first pick of its not in the top 10. Otherwise it's their 2nd pick I believe. Like if I wanted David Price this year and he's a FA. I could put a "tag" on him for one year at a certain price but then he's automatically a free agent next year.

It's something to look into for next season.

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For me the biggest issue I see is the sequence of events surrounding this idea within our league.
For example:
-- when do you place the tag on the player
-- when would the draft take place

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I like the idea, but I don't see it working, in the mlb you can't trade draft picks, as of right now how many people actually own their own first or 2nd round picks, or heck even 3rd rounder. One person would be penalized their 4th or 5th round pick because they traded their other picks, while another team is penalized their first round or 2nd round pick because they didn't trade it yet?

We are trying to be the mlb, well then we should have 80-100 man milb rosters and not be able to trade picks other than compensation picks.

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Nov 12, 2015 23:18:32 GMT @minnesotatwins said:

For me the biggest issue I see is the sequence of events surrounding this idea within our league.
For example:
-- when do you place the tag on the player
-- when would the draft take place

-- You will have one month after the season is over
-- The draft date doesn't change?

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Nov 12, 2015 23:56:00 GMT @mavwar53 said:

I like the idea, but I don't see it working, in the mlb you can't trade draft picks, as of right now how many people actually own their own first or 2nd round picks, or heck even 3rd rounder. One person would be penalized their 4th or 5th round pick because they traded their other picks, while another team is penalized their first round or 2nd round pick because they didn't trade it yet?

We are trying to be the mlb, well then we should have 80-100 man milb rosters and not be able to trade picks other than compensation picks.

The draft pick loss is just an example. We can be creative, like you'll get penalized $5M in salary for signing a QO player AND the original manager gets a sandwich pick.

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I do like the word "creative." I wouldn't mind kicking around this idea more.

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Nov 13, 2015 15:32:01 GMT @nyy73 said:

Nov 12, 2015 23:56:00 GMT @mavwar53 said:

I like the idea, but I don't see it working, in the mlb you can't trade draft picks, as of right now how many people actually own their own first or 2nd round picks, or heck even 3rd rounder. One person would be penalized their 4th or 5th round pick because they traded their other picks, while another team is penalized their first round or 2nd round pick because they didn't trade it yet?

We are trying to be the mlb, well then we should have 80-100 man milb rosters and not be able to trade picks other than compensation picks.

The draft pick loss is just an example. We can be creative, like you'll get penalized $5M in salary for signing a QO player AND the original manager gets a sandwich pick.

Bryan brought up a good point to me last night. How would someone else sign a QO. In our league, they wouldn't be able to sign them.

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Why not? A QO is nothing more than a FA with a QO tag on him

[Arizona Diamondbacks]

i think the point would be and correct me if i am wrong here , cuz i might be .... but if i wanted to sign chris davis to a QO , i could do so now for that salary of 15.8m instead of waiting , it seems as if the QO idea and it isnt a bad one mind u , is to allow managers to keep a player they might otherwise not due to salary? 15.8 per is far less than what chris davis will get as a free agent so it would make sense for me to keep him for the QO , DO I GOT THIS RIGHT?

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Here's how I see what Ken is saying. Let's say CHC doesn't want to take a chance on the soon to be free agent contract of David Price and his impending real life free agency. So CHC places a QO of 15.8M on Price for one year instead of absorbing a possible 7 year/200M plus contract. This QO would allow CHC to remain competitive for the upcoming season by saving him some cash. Granted when the time comes for the next off season he has a choice to make sense he cannot place another QO on D. Price. This next step in the QO sequence would need to be discussed as well. For example what option(s) would CHC have with D. Price after the first QO is placed on his player?

[Arizona Diamondbacks]

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT STU.... it seems the QO idea is actually a way to circumvent a huge contract at least for 1 year!!