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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 14:56:08 GMT
Before we process the spreadsheet over to 2023, I want to propose and vote on a rule change. We propose that we eliminate the Dev Roster. We would increase the MLB active roster to 30 players and also eliminate the N/A spot. This would eliminate the need for confusing min/max for the dev roster. It would also save some time on the admin side with less demotions and promotions. You would still be able to promote and demote players to the MiLB like before. We would also have a one-way threshold rule on eligibility. As long as the player is in your minors when they cross the threshold of 130 AB or 50 IP, they can stay there all year until you promote them. Once you promote them, the can not go back down. In the offseason, they would need to be promoted. This would also make it easier to track on Fantrax since we would have a clear rule who is eligible for the minors. Fantrax doesn't have multiple minor league levels to differentiate between minors and Dev Roster. We know some pushback from managers would be the risk of talent being thinned out or a team buying more players. But we would actually be eliminating 2 roster spots in total. Right now, we have 26 man rosters, 1 N/A spot, and 5 Dev Roster spots for a total of 32 spots. Right now, the Dev Roster does not count towards your salary cap. But I propose that we do not add to the salary cap, or we add $3-$5M for the added players. The average Dev Roster player probably makes around $500K. By not adding salary cap or making it minimal, it would prevent teams from adding 4 higher priced players. So we are going to vote on this. If you vote yes, please do a 2nd vote to add salary cap or no salary cap. So to recap, - Eliminating the Dev Roster.
- Adding 3 roster spots that would go towards your salary cap.
- Removing 2 roster spots from your roster.
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Post by New York Mets on Oct 4, 2022 23:17:02 GMT
I have a question about this: Say we promote an MiLB guy who later on gets demoted by their MLB team, would we be allowed to demote them back to our MiLB or are we stuck with that guy on our roster all season?
Example: Dbacks promoted Alek Thomas early in the season, but demoted him for the last couple of weeks. Under this new rule, would I be allowed to demote him as well, or do I have to keep him on my MLB roster?
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Post by San Diego Padres on Oct 5, 2022 0:35:12 GMT
Good question. It would depend on if they are still MILB eligible (have not yet surpassed 50 innings pitched or 130 at-bats in the Major Leagues). So if the D’backs called up someone and then sent him down, you could send him to your MILB as long as the player was still eligible by IP or AB.
If they called someone up and the player crossed out of MILB eligibility before being sent back down, you would not be able to send them back to MILB since they would be outside of the prospect limits. They would then need to stay on your MLB roster.
Alex Thomas specifically could not be sent back to MILB bc he is at 381 AB. Does that help?
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Post by New York Mets on Oct 5, 2022 0:49:58 GMT
That does help, thank you for the explanation. I guess that could add a new layer of strategy as well to ensure we don’t waste a roster spot like that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 1:33:56 GMT
Normally we would have the N/A spot for those type of situations. And with the 30 spots one of those was considered the N/A spot.
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Oct 5, 2022 3:00:04 GMT
This seems to address all issues of the season
Id propose to bump salary cap 2.5m (5 players at 500k assumed salary)
Id also propose to keep n/a... Player salary still counts towards your cap and have reasoning for n/a either voted on by league, a committee, or just commish alone.
Alek Thomas example above is good situation that should be n/a in my opinion. Also you have Austin meadows that left the team for mental health and I'm not sure if they actually put him on the "il" in fantrax or not....but he's not playing. Then you also have the steroid guys or domestic abuse/arrest situations...
I also wouldn't be opposed to more than one n/a per team as long as it was legit weird scenario and people aren't just storing the Trevor Bauers of the world
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 5:03:55 GMT
Good points. Back in the day we limited DL spots. Can you imagine having a limit this year? Especially your DL when you had like 15 guys on it?
We set no limit because you can’t control the DL and injured players. So you can’t really control those weird scenarios.
The only thing that is inconvenient is Fantrax for some odd reason has everything else except an N/A spot. So we have to allow anybody to be in the minors so you can put them there.
Yeah, the salary cap can be decided on. It isn’t strictly $3M or nothing. I was just thinking round numbers lol.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Oct 5, 2022 5:58:48 GMT
That does help, thank you for the explanation. I guess that could add a new layer of strategy as well to ensure we don’t waste a roster spot like that It doesn’t matter if u call a guy up and take up the spot or leave him on the minor roster as far as strategy , as soon as any player hits the 130 at bats or 50 innings pitched u have to call em up or they are free game , if u don’t have room u will have to cut a player and pay penalties against the cap just to bring him up , I actually foresee this as a down side to getting rid of the dev , one of the big things when I joined the league was how this league was gonna stick as close to real life as possible and for the most part we have done that , but when real life teams can demote players who are eligible and we can’t that robs an aspect of real life play |
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Oct 5, 2022 6:08:08 GMT
For those of us that have spent the past 5 years building a young talented minor roster this is not favorable, I might have about 5-8 guys that will all be coming up this year and now will have to cut players just to make room , on top of that when they are sent down which most players eventually do and I can’t cuz they r not eligible, I will likely have a roster that doesn’t field enough active players to compete ….. will there be any penalties for teams that aren’t providing a competitive roster , due to 20 percent of their players actually being in the minors in real life but not eligible in our league,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 14:13:10 GMT
That is a good point. We do not want to change things too much and have it mess up plans or how manager's built their teams.
Fantrax also has an option to demote players to minors that are in real life minors. Regardless of the minimum. But once the teams call them up in real life, you would have to call them up as well. So that could be an option we look into.
If we do this and have 30 MLB roster spots, not all 30 have to be active.
I guess the strategy would be with this proposal would be if you have a guy on the fringe of the limits, you would have a decision to keep him in the minors or call him up knowing you can't demote them. That would be the strategy I think the Mets were referring to.
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Post by New York Mets on Oct 5, 2022 16:58:17 GMT
That is a good point. We do not want to change things too much and have it mess up plans or how manager's built their teams. Fantrax also has an option to demote players to minors that are in real life minors. Regardless of the minimum. But once the teams call them up in real life, you would have to call them up as well. So that could be an option we look into. If we do this and have 30 MLB roster spots, not all 30 have to be active. I guess the strategy would be with this proposal would be if you have a guy on the fringe of the limits, you would have a decision to keep him in the minors or call him up knowing you can't demote them. That would be the strategy I think the Mets were referring to. Pretty much this. Also, when promoting a guy from MiLB, you have to factor in that they could struggle and be demoted IRL, but you as the owner would be stuck with them on your roster, from what I can see. At the same time, AZ brings up a good point with having so many young guys about to be called up and reach limits. My team alone has about 7 or 8 guys potentially being called up early, or who have already debuted this season, but I planned on putting on DEV roster to begin 2023. This could be a way to help spread out the talent though, as I’ve noticed a lot of the best young stars in the league are owned by a couple teams |
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Oct 5, 2022 17:24:20 GMT
Maybe we can figure out how to implement the change to be in effect for the 2024 season , giving everyone enough time to understand the change and prepare for it ?
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Oct 16, 2022 21:38:58 GMT
Only 14 people have voted.
What does this even mean with 8 yes votes and 8 with the 3 additional million? What does it take with our voting to determine a permanent change?
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Oct 16, 2022 21:39:08 GMT
Only 14 people have voted.
What does this even mean with 8 yes votes and 8 with the 3 additional million? What does it take with our voting to determine a permanent change?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 22:33:59 GMT
It takes 75% to pass. The salary vote is only if it passes. I would like everyone to vote since this is a big change.
We aren’t really taking away roster spots. At least I don’t look at it like that. We are basically just putting the dev roster and combining it with the active roster. Basically you would have 4 or 5 stash spots to put those players.
Most teams all year call up players from the dev roster for a start and then demote them back. This would basically be the same thing but you wouldn’t have to post the move each time and save admin work to the spreadsheet.
The minimal salary increase would prevent teams from loading up more expensive players.
I think some teams could use the extra spots to keep the would be dev roster players while other teams use them for depth. But with the limited salary increase, you couldn’t get too expensive depth.
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