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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 14:03:08 GMT
The Royals made a good suggestion. He is right that the Quality Start category is a roll of dice. It is more by luck than team skill or strategy. More and more pitchers are going 5 innings these days. You can have a pitcher go 5 IP and get the win giving up no runs. There is another point category that we could use, or we could use another one. It is Wins plus QS. So if your starter gets the win plus QS, you would get 2 points.
I don't think this would be a deal breaker for teams if we started it this season if it gets approved. You don't necessarily go out and look for SP that gets QS. But if there is an overwhelming response that we wait to change this in 2024, that is fine as well.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Nov 3, 2022 14:56:01 GMT
I like the QS , here’s a scenario
You just had a pitcher go 6 innings and out to start the 7th , and his team is up 3-0 , he immediately puts two runners on and gets the hook , the reliever comes in walks the first batter , then gives up double which scores 3 runs ….. now my starter didn’t get the win or loss , but no QS either if we do away with it. At least in the above scenario I would have gotten a QS regardless of the outcome after he was yanked
Just my thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 15:01:50 GMT
I like the QS , here’s a scenario You just had a pitcher go to innings and out to start the 7th , and his team is up 3-0 , he immediately puts two runners on and gets the hook , the reliever comes in walks the first batter , then gives up double which scores 3 runs ….. now my starter didn’t get the win or loss , but no QS either if we do away with it. At least in the above scenario I would have gotten a QS regardless of the outcome after he was yanked Just my thoughts Good point. There is a QS + Win category. So a QS and a win would be 2 points. Almost like the Saves plus Holds. Just another idea. |
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Nov 3, 2022 15:13:29 GMT
I like the QS , here’s a scenario You just had a pitcher go to innings and out to start the 7th , and his team is up 3-0 , he immediately puts two runners on and gets the hook , the reliever comes in walks the first batter , then gives up double which scores 3 runs ….. now my starter didn’t get the win or loss , but no QS either if we do away with it. At least in the above scenario I would have gotten a QS regardless of the outcome after he was yanked Just my thoughts Good point. There is a QS + Win category. So a QS and a win would be 2 points. Almost like the Saves plus Holds. Just another idea. This idea sounds good actually , that way no one is penalized for pitching well and not getting a win with their player |
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Nov 3, 2022 15:19:31 GMT
Here’s a couple good examples
Scherzer had only 11 wins this year , but 16 QS
Verlander had 18 wins , 21 QS
Framber Valdez 17 wins 26 QS
Alex manoah and yu darvish both 16 wins , 25 QS
and there are others that greatly benefited for the QS too
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 15:19:45 GMT
Good point. There is a QS + Win category. So a QS and a win would be 2 points. Almost like the Saves plus Holds. Just another idea. This idea sounds good actually , that way no one is penalized for pitching well and not getting a win with their player I actually changed the poll. So I had to remove it and added a new one. So if anybody has voted, please vote again. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 15:22:17 GMT
Here’s a couple good examples Scherzer had only 11 wins this year , but 16 QS Verlander had 18 wins , 21 QS Framber Valdez 17 wins 26 QS Alex manoah and yu darvish both 16 wins , 25 QS and there are others that greatly benefited for the QS too So, if we did Wins plus QS, the points would have been below just from that category. Scherzer 27 points Verlander 39 points Valdez 43 points Manoah and Darvish 41 points I personally, think it would balance out the saves/holds category that might favor bullpen arms over Starters. |
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Post by New York Mets on Nov 3, 2022 15:29:02 GMT
Would QS still have their own category similar to saves?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 15:35:22 GMT
Looking at last year's stats, the Padres had 227 Saves and Saves plus Holds combined. His starters had 101 QS. I went through his pitchers, his pitchers had 118 wins in 2022. That isn't quite accurate cause he didn't have every pitcher the whole season or played everybody. That would have given him 219 points for his starters by wins/QS and 227 Saves/Holds by his bullpen. So looking at that, the balance is pretty even.
Managers could determine how they want to build their team. If they want to get the wins/QS and load up on Starting pitching or load up on relievers for holds/saves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 15:37:22 GMT
Would QS still have their own category similar to saves? It would be combined. So if you get QS and W you get 2 points. We did Saves separate from Saves plus Holds to keep the balance and it gives closers the edge. Otherwise, The set up man would be the same as closers. |
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Post by New York Mets on Nov 3, 2022 16:28:07 GMT
The only issue I have with that is if I have a SP that goes 7 shutout innings then the bullpen blows it, or he gets no run support then I get nothing for that great start other than a lower ERA.
Say my opponent has a SP go 6 innings, allow 3 runs, get the quality start and a win and he gets 2 points for it while I have nothing to show for my SP who had a better performance, but his team didn’t score.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 16:29:29 GMT
The only issue I have with that is if I have a SP that goes 7 shutout innings then the bullpen blows it, or he gets no run support then I get nothing for that great start other than a lower ERA. Say my opponent has a SP go 6 innings, allow 3 runs, get the quality start and a win and he gets 2 points for it while I have nothing to show for my SP who had a better performance, but his team didn’t score. You starter would still get the QS so he would get one point. |
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Post by New York Mets on Nov 3, 2022 16:35:40 GMT
The only issue I have with that is if I have a SP that goes 7 shutout innings then the bullpen blows it, or he gets no run support then I get nothing for that great start other than a lower ERA. Say my opponent has a SP go 6 innings, allow 3 runs, get the quality start and a win and he gets 2 points for it while I have nothing to show for my SP who had a better performance, but his team didn’t score. You starter would still get the QS so he would get one point. Okay, that makes sense. That’s what I was asking in the question above |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 16:39:57 GMT
You starter would still get the QS so he would get one point. Okay, that makes sense. That’s what I was asking in the question above Oh, sorry for the confusion. |
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Post by Kansas City Royals on Nov 4, 2022 1:58:48 GMT
I voted yes, obviously. Just sharing my data here: According to baseball reference, only 37% of starts were QS in 2022. There are 4860 starts in a season, but only 1776 QS. That said, there were 1444 wins by a starting pitcher. Since the two stats are not mutually exclusive, we can add them together and get 3200ish available points from that same pool of starts. Obviously, a huge percentage of those will overlap, but you've got a much better chance of being rewarded beyond the ratio stats if your starter has a good night.
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