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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 23:06:39 GMT
I'm suggesting this moving forward, not as an immediate change. But having looked at the upcoming free agency classes, we're approaching a tipping point. The classes are getting progressively thinner the next few years.
I'm just throwing this out there for discussion: 6 years is a very, very long time to hold the rights to a player. What if starting with the class at the end of the 2022 season, we move entirely to a UFA system. No more RFA/FA. You can still get a discount for your guys, but they have to go on the market so to speak. If we want to be able to replace owners or keep owners because rebuilds are possible, we need a vibrant free agency. This class is bad, but it's much better than future classes. Just something to think about for next offseason.
Just for absolute clarity, I am not proposing this change for the upcoming free agency period (I wouldn't oppose it, but I only have 1 FA, so I can see how it would wreck plans), but for the following year.
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Post by San Diego Padres on Sept 29, 2021 23:36:56 GMT
I am open to this suggestion because as KC states, future classes do look bleak and I think it could impede rebuild efforts. If we did something like this, I would suggest keeping the QO (1 year option for a FA that leads to UFA the next year) but perhaps limiting the QO to 2 tags per team so we still have some flow into free agency. Very open to other ideas as we chat through things. Thanks for proposing KC!
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Sept 29, 2021 23:46:58 GMT
I like things how they are. For the most part I really haven't picked up any big free agents since joining the league, definitely not been in the bidding wars of 40M per year to get ozuna/harper. I've made a ton of trades over the years, tried to pile up on draft picks, and I've tried to use more of my money towards trades/picks.
If anything, as the year gets underway most teams have like 50M cap to play with that never gets used, maybe a league wide CAP reduction would have the same result you're looking for. I think people also join the league and maybe go a little crazy in free agency then we have these super bloated contracts that can't be traded.
I like that i've traded for kyle tucker, tyler oneil, and a bunch of others they're now coming full time contributors and I'll be able to keep them through their prime. I've held on to ian anderson, chris paddack, matt manning, etc when people asked for in trades because I know they're more affordable and I don't have to spend $30M for charlie morton....I can take a chance on these cheaper guys turning into something.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 0:51:25 GMT
I like things how they are. For the most part I really haven't picked up any big free agents since joining the league, definitely not been in the bidding wars of 40M per year to get ozuna/harper. I've made a ton of trades over the years, tried to pile up on draft picks, and I've tried to use more of my money towards trades/picks. If anything, as the year gets underway most teams have like 50M cap to play with that never gets used, maybe a league wide CAP reduction would have the same result you're looking for. I think people also join the league and maybe go a little crazy in free agency then we have these super bloated contracts that can't be traded. I like that i've traded for kyle tucker, tyler oneil, and a bunch of others they're now coming full time contributors and I'll be able to keep them through their prime. I've held on to ian anderson, chris paddack, matt manning, etc when people asked for in trades because I know they're more affordable and I don't have to spend $30M for charlie morton....I can take a chance on these cheaper guys turning into something. I like trades, but just because you want someone doesn't mean he's available at a talent price you can pay. I freely admit I don't have any blue chippers I stand to lose, because . . . I've never had a blue chipper period. The other downside of trades, is you need assets to get assets. When I joined, I basically had nothing of value except Max Scherzer, and that put me in a much better position than many. I'm fine with the QO staying, I'm fine with this not passing, I'm fine with most things. Don't really hold strong opinions on fantasy for the most part. I just thought it needs to at least be looked at/discussed because free agency is trending bleak pretty quickly. If there's opposition to adjusting the DEV because it might thin the talent, I thought maybe an actual thinning of the talent pool merited discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 14:34:13 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion, KC. This is something we have to look into. I know that the value of free agent classes will hit in waves. And we are in a spot now that it is going downhill for a while. That does make it harder for teams that don't have assets to trade for players.
I think our league is unique in that we do follow real-life contracts and our own 3-year deals. That does have some negative effects that we are seeing now. Players that sign these 10-year deals and get accepted are locked up and will never hit our free agency auctions. When this league was created, you were seeing mostly 4 or 5 year deals. Miguel Cabrera was probably our biggest contract at the time.
If we did the KC's idea, you would have your prospect like Wonder Franco, the Mariners would assumably keep him until his final 6th year of arbitration when he becomes a free agent. He would go to free agent auction where the Mariners would get a 20% discount on him. So in theory, eventually this league would be mostly our own salaries except for the players that are in their first 6 years.
There are a couple of things we could do that are below. Some are very small and some could be bigger changes.
Remove options on auction players. So 3 years is the max instead of possibly 4 years. KC's idea, all FA players will be put in the auction instead of having an option to accept the real-life contract. Remove the $3M salary cap increase per year so it stays at a constant number. Instead of capping the QO to a limit, increase the QO contract from $12M to possibly $15-$20M.
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Sept 30, 2021 18:35:40 GMT
I changed my mind...seeing how slim current free agency is and I was reading it a little wrong in the first place.
It probably is more important to make the pool a little more valuable...but a guy like gerrit cole being a free agent, it wouldn't shock me if he gets 40M+ in our league based on how free agents have been escalating each season. Theres 270M in CAP available next year between ARZ, ATL, and BAL alone (minus arb escalations and a few free agents).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 18:49:35 GMT
I changed my mind...seeing how slim current free agency is and I was reading it a little wrong in the first place. It probably is more important to make the pool a little more valuable...but a guy like gerrit cole being a free agent, it wouldn't shock me if he gets 40M+ in our league based on how free agents have been escalating each season. Theres 270M in CAP available next year between ARZ, ATL, and BAL alone (minus arb escalations and a few free agents). Rendon probably would go for $50M easily. LOL
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Post by San Diego Padres on Sept 30, 2021 18:51:02 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion, KC. This is something we have to look into. I know that the value of free agent classes will hit in waves. And we are in a spot now that it is going downhill for a while. That does make it harder for teams that don't have assets to trade for players. I think our league is unique in that we do follow real-life contracts and our own 3-year deals. That does have some negative effects that we are seeing now. Players that sign these 10-year deals and get accepted are locked up and will never hit our free agency auctions. When this league was created, you were seeing mostly 4 or 5 year deals. Miguel Cabrera was probably our biggest contract at the time. If we did the KC's idea, you would have your prospect like Wonder Franco, the Mariners would assumably keep him until his final 6th year of arbitration when he becomes a free agent. He would go to free agent auction where the Mariners would get a 20% discount on him. So in theory, eventually this league would be mostly our own salaries except for the players that are in their first 6 years. There are a couple of things we could do that are below. Some are very small and some could be bigger changes. Remove options on auction players. So 3 years is the max instead of possibly 4 years. KC's idea, all FA players will be put in the auction instead of having an option to accept the real-life contract. Remove the $3M salary cap increase per year so it stays at a constant number. Instead of capping the QO to a limit, increase the QO contract from $12M to possibly $15-$20M. Lots of interesting options. I am intrigued by KC's FA idea, the QO increase and the removal of the $3 yearly cap adjustment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 19:30:30 GMT
If we would have done it this offseason, KC's idea would have given us 34 more free agents this offseason. On top of the 53 UFA. In the 2022 offseason, we will have 74 UFA and 25 FA.
QO increase to at least $15M-20m wouldn't be too bad. When that player would normally go for $30M in free agency or real life contract, the $15-20 isn't bad.
If you remember, we started this league at $120M per year. Now we are at $137M. We probably do have to stop that at some point before it gets to a high enough number that people will never have to worry about budget. And we are already seeing some teams that have too much money with no players to spend it on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 18:40:21 GMT
If we would have done it this offseason, KC's idea would have given us 34 more free agents this offseason. On top of the 53 UFA. In the 2022 offseason, we will have 74 UFA and 25 FA. QO increase to at least $15M-20m wouldn't be too bad. When that player would normally go for $30M in free agency or real life contract, the $15-20 isn't bad. If you remember, we started this league at $120M per year. Now we are at $137M. We probably do have to stop that at some point before it gets to a high enough number that people will never have to worry about budget. And we are already seeing some teams that have too much money with no players to spend it on. But how many of those 74 UFA for next year are anything but roster filler and rp? I did a dive, and it was ugly. I know you're not disagreeing with me here, just pointing out that 74 vastly misrepresents the talent of the class.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 0:41:33 GMT
I agree. Most of those will probably never be owned. I didn’t take the time to see how many of those are actually meaningful players. If we did anything, it would start in the 2022 offseason. Gives teams a full year to plan.
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