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Post by Oakland Athletics on Sept 23, 2021 16:24:31 GMT
Just a thought.
How about using day 1 of the regular season and a players innings/at bats as the criteria for the entire season?
Like If I have a RP pitcher that is MILB eligible with 37IP, he's likely going to reach the 50IP in 2 months or so and it's on me to pay attention. What if he's just MILB eligible for all of 2022 and he can be colored coded in some way on the google sheet?
I think I bit off more than I can chew playing in 4 leagues this season but guys like joely rodriguez I'm not really paying him much attention to check his innings on a regular basis.
It's also the transaction thread/google sheet isn't updated in real time, it can (understandably) take a week or so and since I try to spend all my budget in the offseason, I'm not trying to go over budget but there has been times this season I've gone 500k/1M over cap when MILB guys get called up or trade happens prior to everything being updated. Nobody called me out for it or fussed about it but I fixed it as soon as I noticed with a trade or cut.
It seems like the DEV/MILB limits aren't too enforceable during the regular season unless we have a hawkeye on everything anyway. Josh James for example, has been injured most all season and has recently pitched a couple innings, he's at 106IP and on my DEV but i haven't paid him any attention since he's been hurt...and bad.
ian anderson is at 154IP now, he won't reach 200IP this season but he'll reach it after a few starts next season. Under my suggestion, he'd be dev eligible for all next season. Then in google sheets, maybe just highlight everybody a special color that is dev/milb eligible. This should leave less work for CUBS/PADRES with the spreadsheet, and then everyone in general won't have to be on top of their players career IP/ABS all season long (which they probably aren't anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 17:01:56 GMT
I do like this. And I have just been crazy busy at work. So I apologize that the transactions have not been made daily like they always been. I will get back to daily updates.
But I guess the question is, how do we find the players and color code them? I am assuming that would be checking each player on every team. I wouldn't think you would necessarily have to update the colors. You wouldn't lose any players in the middle of the year due to over the maximums. At the end of the season, we would just have a deadline to move any players to the MLB that went over the limit the prior year. Just like we have a deadline to remove all DL players. That responsibility could be put on each manager to check their team.
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Sept 23, 2021 17:20:51 GMT
As far as color coding, I just assumed that would be easier for you all.
Like If I have ian anderson and use the trans thread to call up to MLB then after his start I send him back down to dev. Say all "DEV" people are brown, all "MILB" people are green...when you or SDP update the spreadsheet you know from the start of the season Ian Anderson is a brown "DEV" guy. Say I have 7 "dev" eligible guys from day 1. If they're all brown then you know (we know) without checking that these guys are eligible to go up and down on the "DEV" side all year. Kind've like in real life with player options, the yankees know tyler wade can keep being sent up and down all year
Probably the easiest way to do this would be in the offseason have a thread were each team reports in and designates their DEV and MILB guys....if any of these players get traded, they would already be designated properly before the season starts. Teams may still end up having "DEV" eligible guys already on the MLB rosters depending on their team setup.
Or maybe instead of colors a symbol could be used on the master minors spreadsheet...like Ian Anderson + (DEV) Riley Greene ++ (MILB) then anyone without a + by their name is going to be on the MLB eligible only spreadsheet....this avoids the colors and from your end you would just have to put a + by whomevers name.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:38:26 GMT
Yeah that would be an option. The only other thing would be how to do it on Fantrax. Right now, we have the limits set on Fantrax so basically, it will let you put a player in the minors if they have a green M by their name. We would almost have to have the limit turn off and everybody would be eligible for the minors (on Fantrax only).
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Sept 24, 2021 18:06:35 GMT
Don’t like the idea of a guy who is not DEV eligible qualifying as though this has been a big boy league since I joined it if you can’t pay attention to maintain your team maybe you should quit this league or quit one of your other leagues to maintain this one properly
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Post by San Diego Padres on Sept 24, 2021 18:48:50 GMT
Have not had a change to dive deeply into this idea but will do more over the weekend and post my thoughts. Always appreciate new ideas, even if we just consider them and end up not making a change. Thanks for suggesting. Will respond soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 18:57:51 GMT
In real life, baseball only forces promotions in the offseason. They don't lose their guys in-season unless they choose to. Poaching isn't much of a way to play anyway.
That said, we could also use the All-Star break as a line of demarcation. If they clear limits before the break, you have to make room during the break. If they clear them after the break, you can wait until the offseason.
As always, if we're staying H2H and not going points, I probably don't care.
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Post by San Diego Padres on Sept 24, 2021 19:42:08 GMT
After reading KC's comment, I feel like it is a good idea. Having the ASB as the change point makes a lot of sense to me and it makes things closer to real life. Happy to help with the spreadsheet side of things if we decide to adopt.
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Sept 24, 2021 22:18:29 GMT
Don’t like the idea of a guy who is not DEV eligible qualifying as though this has been a big boy league since I joined it if you can’t pay attention to maintain your team maybe you should quit this league or quit one of your other leagues to maintain this one properly seriously? I posted a suggestion, don't really understand the salty rude response to a simple idea. I should quit the league after 3 or 4 years and two deep playoff runs because I made a suggestion that would hopefully save ALL league members and more so the admins time. It's also addressing something that isn't very enforceable in the first place. If it doesn't work out, thats fine but it's just a suggestion man. Not a very good way of allowing other people to feel confident about posting other suggestions.
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Sept 24, 2021 22:22:00 GMT
In real life, baseball only forces promotions in the offseason. They don't lose their guys in-season unless they choose to. Poaching isn't much of a way to play anyway. That said, we could also use the All-Star break as a line of demarcation. If they clear limits before the break, you have to make room during the break. If they clear them after the break, you can wait until the offseason. As always, if we're staying H2H and not going points, I probably don't care. I'd be fine with that. It's not to try to cheat the system or anything. But keeping up with all players, if the transactions page/google sheet gets behind, etc. seems like it would save time and be easier to track. for cubs...how it handles in fantrax, I've never seen fantrax on the admin side so i'm not really sure. But yeah if there are no limits then the issue is people maybe throwing people to the minors who aren't eligible in any way.
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Sept 24, 2021 22:44:35 GMT
Also, just with the enforcement side of things...
when the last mets tried to steal everybody from every team, alot of us (including myself), had players slip through the cracks of roster movement....i doubt anyone was trying to cheat the system...it's just a reality of i'm not on top of daniel ponce de leons career IP from day to day
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 0:53:32 GMT
We welcome any and all suggestions. That is what makes this league run well. We talk about it and weigh the cons and pros and make a decision. This sounds like a good idea that we would just have to iron things out. If we do the ASB then players won’t be too far outside the limit for long.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Sept 25, 2021 2:33:04 GMT
Don’t like the idea of a guy who is not DEV eligible qualifying as though this has been a big boy league since I joined it if you can’t pay attention to maintain your team maybe you should quit this league or quit one of your other leagues to maintain this one properly seriously? I posted a suggestion, don't really understand the salty rude response to a simple idea. I should quit the league after 3 or 4 years and two deep playoff runs because I made a suggestion that would hopefully save ALL league members and more so the admins time. It's also addressing something that isn't very enforceable in the first place. If it doesn't work out, thats fine but it's just a suggestion man. Not a very good way of allowing other people to feel confident about posting other suggestions. Sorry bout that , didn’t mean to sound salty or rude , 🙏 forgive me for that !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 0:50:54 GMT
I do like the option we have on Fantrax that gives us the green M that is how’s he is eligible for minors. And can be sent down to the minors in our league. If we turn off the limits in season we will lose that feature. I would say we have two options.
1. We keep the limits on but you can’t lose the player in season to another player. You would have until November 1st to promote them or lose them.
2. We set it up on Fantrax to set your lineup to be illegal if you have a ineligible player in the minors after a set grace period. Grace period could be 1, 2, or 3 weeks. You wouldn’t lose the player but your lineup wouldn’t be legal and you wouldn’t get points until you fix it. The positive thing about that is Fantrax will give you a warning on your lineup page that you have a player over the limit. The only bad thing about that it wouldn’t catch the players over the 130 AB or 50 IP. It will only do that for over 500 AB or 200 IP which is our Development Roster limit. Fantrax does not separate them for us. It be perfect if they had a upper minors and a lower minors.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 18:35:16 GMT
I do like the option we have on Fantrax that gives us the green M that is how’s he is eligible for minors. And can be sent down to the minors in our league. If we turn off the limits in season we will lose that feature. I would say we have two options. 1. We keep the limits on but you can’t lose the player in season to another player. You would have until November 1st to promote them or lose them. 2. We set it up on Fantrax to set your lineup to be illegal if you have a ineligible player in the minors after a set grace period. Grace period could be 1, 2, or 3 weeks. You wouldn’t lose the player but your lineup wouldn’t be legal and you wouldn’t get points until you fix it. The positive thing about that is Fantrax will give you a warning on your lineup page that you have a player over the limit. The only bad thing about that it wouldn’t catch the players over the 130 AB or 50 IP. It will only do that for over 500 AB or 200 IP which is our Development Roster limit. Fantrax does not separate them for us. It be perfect if they had a upper minors and a lower minors. So adjust the DEV limits. Split the difference. 200 innings is an insane amount of innings. Some RP don't get there in 5 years! But you know with an SP well before 200 innings are up if you want them or not. Same thing with bats. Most of the time you've got a feel for bats before the 500 mark. The DEV isn't really a "stash useable assets" spot, it's a "stash promising but struggling" spot. I've got Wisdom and Haase on my offseason DEV because right now, I CAN. But I've got a pretty clear idea of what they are, and neither has even 400 at-bats. Just saying I think we could tweak the limits and maybe get the best out of a grace period.
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